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[carioca]

Hi Dear Forum users!
What's the difference between DW and Sandboxie? Should I use both? One might misfunction the other?Did DW already include it? Could you explain the aim of both? Does it worth to use both of them? Thank you for your helpful hints? Best Regards.

[Ilya Rabinovich]

Well, the main difference is file system virtualization. SBIE store all the files created or modified by "sandboxed" processes into virtualization container folder.

DW and SBIE perfectly runs together, so, you may try SBIE and choose the best protection solution.

[carioca]

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Thank you for your accurate and sincere replies. Best Regards.

[carioca]

Well, the main difference is file system virtualization. SBIE store all the files created or modified by "sandboxed" processes into virtualization container folder.

DW and SBIE perfectly runs together, so, you may try SBIE and choose the best protection solution.

HI, Ilya,
What I learned one may be usable with other and no conflicts at all. Sandboxie only works up if you make up your mind to use it and DW is automatically sandbox.Should DW fulfill the Sandboxie, Shouldn't it? Because they are the same but they work differently. What I mean Is It advisable to use both or unnecessary? Is It redundant? There is another important difference. SandBoxie corrals off all downloaded and changed files into a special area of your disk: the sandbox. These files are not easily accessible unless you go hunting around in the sandbox and choose to move them to the normal working areas of your disk.
Could one smart hacker be capable go hunting inside your system and move some infected files to the open areas of your pc and cause a destruction over your disk?

[Ilya Rabinovich]

into a special area of your disk: the sandbox

Virtualizaion container, not sandbox.

As about "destruction"- well, not sop dramatically, but some data corruption is possible as DefenseWall doesn't control all the files in the system, only important/sensitive ones. Theoretically, it is not very good. Practically, such is the price for defense simplicity. I can make 100% bulletproof defense system, but it will be impossible to be used every day. Especially, for average users.

How many such the corruption malware ITW do you know? I know almost non of them but ransomeware, that is not wildley used + DW protects many types of document files + there is "secured files" protection feature.

[KikiBibi]

Just like to add my opinion:
I feel that "Support" is the main difference.

Sandboxie support has disappoint me twice with answers like:
- "It is not sandboxie's fault"
- "You need some antispyware to fix your system"

Sandboxie may be free but the support sux to the core.

[carioca]

I agree with you 100%. This is the big difference Defensewall support excells its customer service and all answers are replied almost immediately and is a very responsive one and all replyes are very clear and professional because no other hips overwon it. Besides its effectiveness! Sandboxie support has disappointed me too with no technician replies. Other reason, I don't know if It's really a freeware because after 30 days comes up an annoying popup message to register it and you have to pay USD 25.00 to take it off. Best Regards.

[Ilya Rabinovich]

Well, the point is that SBIE business model is wrong. Why? Let me explain.

It is, in fact, donationware, as product do not make users buy it. This mean that author have no obligations to its users. From other side, SBIE is more spreaded in the world as it is free for many people. This means that many users need support as any software have bugs and compatibility issues- such is life. So, we have: many users need support, author have no obligations as it is donationware. From the other side- $25 of lifetime registration means that support and products improvements are paid by new comers, old users do not pay for it (!). And, as I see, product have no background investments to hire more support people and keep its high quality. So, the result is obvious. There is no guarantee that commersial project have a good support, but there is a guarantee that freeware/donationware have a big problems with it.

[lucy]

Well Ilya,

With few millions euros on your bank account, I guess you could afford making DW free or donatioware with (almost) the same quality of service.

But such is life.

PS: well, actually, with a few millions euros on your account, I am not sure you would spend so much energy doing such a software.

[Ilya Rabinovich]

doing such a software

Aha, and supporting it :)

[Euthanize Hippies]

SBIE: donationware

its really nagware, but I see your point.

[MCHAL]

Hi, Ilya:

I've got a licensed copy of DefenseWall through the Giveawyoftheday scheme. Many thanks.

I guess you should use download.com to promote your products. I've seen daily download instances there reaching stunning figures, such as 300 million downloads in a single day (for ZoneAlarm or Lavasoft, I guess)!

Your program seems to be a very good one of its kind. But there's one thing I couldn't manage to find out how to set on it, that is a way of using a web browser and yet preserve its surfing session history, tabs etc. When run as unstrusted, no such program preserves its session settings. A pity... Sandboxie is able to do it.

Have you ever heard about the programs available at the links bellow:


Best regards,

MCHAL

Edited by Chachazz, 02 January 2009 - 05:55 PM.

[Ilya Rabinovich]

1. DW do not erase your browsing session, history, cookies,... It is an utility for everyday use.

2. Yes, I know about those tools.

[MCHAL]

Hi, Ilya:

DefenseWallHIPS seems to be a fine product, but, unfortunately, according to one of my antivirus, its setup executable (from Giveawayoftheday) has a builtin trojan named Trojan.Win32.Agent.ph. Sadly, it's not only that. After installing it and giving it a short spin, my system began to act strangely soon after my firewall reported that DefenseWall (latest version) was trying to remote-control the programs started through it.

A real pity for such an apparently nice product and for the very ones seeking a defense wall against so much disgusting net crap and malware. :(

MCHAL

[Ilya Rabinovich]

Your AV report is, definitely, false positive. Please, tell me the name of this AV.

As about remote-control- it is a false positive too, DW do not remote control any other software but its own components. What is your firewall name?