does dw and sandboxie do the same thing?

Well, not exactly, but similar. The most difference is that SBIE mostly rely on registry and file system virtualization and, thus, require periodicam virtualization container cleanup. DW doesn't require it as it rely on built-in protective ruleset.

Ilya,

I've been running DW for quite a long time, is there really any good reason to run SandboxIE or Bufferzone with DW?

Thanks

I can't say that.

Yea sorry, didn't think about that.

Hi,

When Ilya is to polite to evaluate his own product against others, I will

It has no use combining an application based sandbox like SBIE (Sandboxie) or BufferZone (or SafeSpace) with a policy sandbox like DefenseWall or GeSWall, what could be usefull

a) Using MAchine Virtualisation (VM, Virtual PC) when testing software
>> safest way of testing new software, because VM-ware simulates a seperate PC (you also have to install an OS in the virtual machine)

b) Using a fulll disk virtualisation application (like ShadowDefenser/Returnil) when doing dodgy browsing and you want to clean up all traced on the next re-boot. Be ware that you do not shadow only your programs partition (e.g. C partition on which you have Windows and Programs, D parttion on which you store downloaded files). In this case GeSWall and DefenseWall could possibly (but maybe Ilya could confirm on this) forget the untrusted state of any file you downloaded on the Data partition (which would have the effect that you would break the seamless protection of a policy sandbox).

Ilya is considering to expand the user friendliness of the roll back function (see post rollback quarantaine), to faciliate a need which Sandboxie seems to fullfil to some users. You have to clean the SBIE sandbox from time tiem, while defense wall has a 'seamless' aproach (meaning the user does not have to care about this).

This enhanced roll back quarantaine (also with easy options as delete all registry tracks/files from [user entered date]) is a more marketing driven action, than protecttion/security driven action. Enhancing the roll back would give DW the same 'delete' ease of use as SBIE, without the hassle of SBIE of constantly needing to be aware what is in the sandbox or what is out of the sandbox. Currently DW already has this rollback functionality (so much appreciated by SBIE user), Ilya only now positiones it as a Power User option.

Regards Kees

Thanks for the reply. I already do everything Windows based in Virtualbox running in Ubuntu. It's just more a quest for knowledge and asking questions someone else may want to know than anything. I bought Bufferzone before I beta tested DefenseWall and got my license. It's like skiing to snowboarding. I used to ski, went snowboarding 15 years ago and haven't looked back. BZ just wasn't for me because of the virtualization. Too many times I'd download some big torrent file like a new nix distro to screw with and it would put that big several gig file in the virtual zone. Supposedly you can trust different programs and so on but I had no luck doing it and got no help. I like SBIE for more screw around stuff like poking a virus or something but that's about it. My virtualbox Winxp machine has no AV and no malware scanners whatsoever. I do an online scan on ESET once a month to find nothing and slowly the scans start to go 2...3....4 months in between and still nothing. When I do have to acually use a Windows environment I won't do it without DW. It is the first app, and only security app I install on a fresh system install(in the virtual world).

Sorry for all that rambling. I didn't want to come off as an idiot in the previous posts just that I can't find much reason to pile up several apps and wanted to see if anyone could give a valid reason to do so.


Lastly after all that mess a question for Ilya about my license, I currently only run DW with that license on one virtual machine(my primary) it would be nice to run it on several at one time for testing but I didn't know if that was allowed by my license. Not sure if it matters and yea normally I would just do it and not care but I really respect you and Defensewall more than that and want to be legit with it's licensing. Thanks.

I don't know about virtual machines. Need to think about it...

ok thanks.

Haven't been running in windows much until today(even though it's seamless) but I grabbed the 2.45 release and I love the changes to the context menu. I've wanted something like that for a while but couldn't really convey what I meant. It's sweet, keep up the amazing work. Thanks for everything.

Eiht